[賢賢&琪琪]

.......WHY WHY

[kyohsey]

有冇相睇，我用又唔覺
你過去 dchome.net Minolta 區傾啦，個到好多A1用家
費事呢到有FCW 個D "專家" 亂發"偉論"

[老叟]

有雜訊唔出奇,睇吓係咩場合,如果陰天暗位,或者室內唔夠光既地方多多少少會有D架喇!!

[2468]

勁noise絕對係事實, 光位或者日光日在影風景梗係唔覺, 當你影較暗的畫面及留意暗位時便非常之非常明顯, 所以我一定不會用此機, 其他識貨之人都立刻賣, 後悔入錯貨.
用DSLR啦, 包保大分別, ISO400都唔差!!

[jammy_2002i]

2468.....係真係用過至好講"絕對"呢兩個字,否則唔好人云亦云~
就算我禽日見過828user post果d勁紫邊o既相,但我一日未親自拎上手用都唔可以話佢紫邊絕對強勁~
o甘300D夠多人放出黎賣,o甘又代表D乜野?係部機真係o甘差抑或係d人未清楚用熟部機就覺得佢差?
有時一d好主觀o既觀點會變成一d好唔負責任o既言論,好值得再三反思~

[wing2010]

唉, 都過左半年, 仲係圍繞住呢個問題.

以前dpreview未出review就話嘈餐死姐, 而家review都出左, 仲有乜好爭論.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/minoltadimagea1/page21.asp

結論果段係咁既:

"Unfortunately it's not as easy as that, I put a lot of weight for my final conclusion on image quality. And that's where this otherwise unbeatable package is let down, the DiMAGE A1 delivers just average (or below average depending on your opinion) resolution with a good smattering of moiré at resolution limits and some other artifacts which are clearly issues with the camera's internal processing, as they don't appear in RAW converted images. I truly hope that Minolta can address these issues and improve resolution either in a firmware update or in their next camera and receive the Highly Recommended rating such a package would deserve."

基本上, A1既強項唔係係photo quality上, 係係功能上. 防手震, 自動追焦, 一機走天涯, 呢d先係佢既強項.

無一部相機係完美的, 與其擔心佢既弱項, 不如諗下點用佢既強項啦!

[mr.unknown]

長時間曝光要 off 左個 AS,
條較 對比 and 照片細緻度, 我想會少返 D Noise

[insane]

wing2010,

Phil Askey of dpreview is not God. While I will not brush aside his views just like that, they are not gospel either. Different users have different needs. What is perfect for one may just be junk for other.

From what I have gathered from the ratings Phil had handed out to different digicams over the years, my personal view (rightly or wrongly) is that he has always been consistently harsh on some brands and exceptional generous on others. There may be a host of reasons for this seemingly unbalanced rating scheme. That is life. And that is why I don't bet my life on his ratings. I treat them as just one of the many reviewers out there.

But knowing Phil has praised the 828 as the most important digicam this year months before the camera is out, it will be interesting to see what he has to say about 828 this time round. )deep down inside, I bet he will find some reasons, albeit good ones too, to give it a "highly recommedation rating" while ignoring its other shortcomings)

[MN56]

Mr. Insane,

I have the similar feeling and opinion on the review by dpreview. I think we should not fully believe one's opinion as the instruction by God. It is same as "盡信書，不如無書"！

[wing2010]

給Insane和所有盲目支持A1的人:

A1和828, A1和300D, A1和S45, A1同S7000, A1和F200......在這個forum裡, 從沒有一部相機會這麼頻密地被人拿出來比較 (甚至批評). 然後每一次都會有一班A1擁護者出來"保駕", 跟著兩邊人可以製造出數以百計既回應才願停手.

以前dpreview個review未出, 個個都話其他人講野唔作得準, dpreview先算專業, 又話唔好信果d唔專業既雜誌, 網頁呀咁. 跟住而家連dpreview都話A1既相片表現只係中等, 然後依家又話連dpreview既作者都係太主觀, 唔作得準. 既然係咁, 不如問下部相機, 等佢自已答算啦!

其實, Phil亦唔係一味話A1唔好, 佢亦講左A1有好多突破性既功能. 只係佢偏重俾分在相片質素, 所以扣左呢部機既分. 老實講, 佢連俾分既weight都講到明, 我覺得咁樣既conclusion已經係好中肯.

而且, 一部機既相片質素表現只係中等有咩問題? 我用緊FZ10, 我都覺得佢d相 (如果未調較過) 係好多noise. 甚至828都俾人話noise紫邊勁, 咁又點? 每部機都有佢既優點同缺點, 睇你識唔識發揮吧!

A1的(過份熱情)fan屎們, 別再那麼介懷了. 我時常都說, 相片質素唔好, 唔等於影出黎既相一定差. 你可以看看tam dominic兄用fz1影既相. 如果唔係睇過佢既相, 我唔會夠瞻買fz10. 所以, 就別再為了defend而defend, 客觀一點吧!

講番少少主觀意見, 其實我覺得大部份超過3倍光學變焦既數碼都會有noise同紫邊既現象, 只係多定少. 呢個我估係技術水平既問題 (例如以前未有ed鏡片). 因此大部份所謂"長炮"機都係今年先可以面世係因為以前既廠仲未可以有效咁控制到noise同紫邊. 但有效控制唔等於完全解決. 因為商機在前, 所以解決到部份都要推左出市面先算 (好似電腦game咁, 寧願以後先出patch或者新版). 當然, 呢個純屬推測, 唔知大家覺得合唔合理呢?

講番個回應, 為左避免駡戰, 這是我最後一次回應. 我不會再為到下一個回應而回應, 係咁.

[vaworld]

If anybody uses the "weakness" of a camera to take photo, his/her photo may be rubbish even with an excellent camera.

If anybody uses the "strength" of a camera to take photo, his/her photo may be excellent even with a bad camera.

Many ppl will only criticizing the weakness of a product if they "feel" this product doesn't meet their expectation or dislike the brand only even this product has many merits over their weaknesses.

Honestly, any product has their weaknesses, but emotional criticizing and over emphasizing weakness will only bias u and the readers.

[daimonster]

其實dpreview裡對於A1在noise方面的評價不錯, 不過事實上A1在長時間曝光 (一秒以上)時會有比較明顯的noise. 如需長時間曝光建議先disable AS, 及不要讓ISO設定成Auto (否則會A1會自動調節成ISO200), 若情?許可最好間歇性關掉A1電源以便散熱. 以上方法相信可使A1於長時間曝光下之noise減至最少.

我喜歡?考dpreview的測試是主要基於它比較中肯的用同一個studio setup去apple to apple 的比較. 但Phil他始終也會被客觀因數影響 e.g. 廠商會因他的comment而考慮會否給他新model測試, 又或者個人偏好 / 期望等. 所以conclusion + rating 方面我把它看成personal view. Sony 707, 717系於dpreview一直rating也是highly recommended的, 且看F828又如何.

Wing2010兄, 我只想分享一句說話Figure can't lie, but liar can figure, 這不apply to dpreview / Phil的review, 而是一個tutor曾經提醒我每分析資訊前的一個考慮.

我的A1是dpreview的測試release後的一天買的. 我的?定是as long as 測試沒有反影什?嚴重問題, 不會因沒有highly recommended 而放棄買A1. 以前s602於dpreview也只是recommended而矣, 難通它不是一部好機嗎?

我只是address noise 這個issue 才貼文的. 對dpreview的見解是自己的意見, 如看成hardore的為A1護航我亦無辦法.

[kyohsey]

>>晨早就知唔掂,我試左a1都成2個鐘,結果一野丟番比個sales 佬,叫佢慳番d口水,

咪係到吹水啦，sales會比你試2個鐘
你快D去入你部所為機皇F828玩好過啦

[vaworld]

Mr. fat_chai_wong, i respect ur opinion but i have some questions: Can u really see noise or quality of pictures even test it in the shop? Did they let u download pictures to computer to see the result and can u tell us the name of the shop?

[fongbiu]

嘜fat_chai_wong自己叫人睇個張828樣本noise唔係比a1 還要多嗎?

那麼fat_chai_wong怎會買noise機皇F828呀?