[swhsimon]

電腦廣場 Vol 677 , DC 拍片能力大檢定, 結論誤導 失實

[luckystar1992]

閣下何以見得?

[swhsimon]

Their Conclusion is V610 is the Best:
Mislead conclusion:
1. nowaday, V610 is not eligible for Video DV usage . It only has Fix video taking ,e.g 5, 15, and 30 sec ONLY.
How come you can enjoy you shoting as you machine call you to stop within 5 sec.

2. PCM select not the same class machine for comparison.
a. V610 cost 3690, canon cost IXUS 60 cost 2580, EX-S600 cost 2780, FX01 cost 3390.
b. How come don't select IUX800, it cost $3080 (or less lately) ?

[swhsimon]

(continue)
c. I select IUX800 to discuss since it has Zoom Function and same price grade.
However, PCM force to give significant and decisive 9 point to V610 and say it has zoom function . However ,the other just give 6 pont to 7 point only. It is Very Easy to mislead reader.

3. In the Test 04 , file size:
IUX60 ,2min7sec, 112MB, result =8pts
S600 ,8min20sec,28.5MB,result=9pts
V610 , 7min 5sec, 27.1MB,result=9pts
fx01,2min47sec, 80.1M,result=8pts

The fact is that :
the compression ratio of them (MB/sec) =
IUX60 =1.13
s600 =17.54
v610=15.68
fx01=2.08
S600 should win and it is 11.86% better than V610. Moreover ,how come the IUX60 get less 1 point compare to S600 as S600 is 1447% better than IUX60.

4. In conclusion :
V610 is not the best choice for video taking

a. Fix timing for video e.g(5,15,30sec) outdate design

b. use MPE4 but not the best compression performance

c. price =$3680 is too expensive compare with Casio or Canon
,price expensive reason may be having useless bluthtooth function which is no relation with video taking.

e.Too heavy 160g compare with other 115g Casio, 132g Fx01 ( PCM don't compare this and give marks)

f. Battery Life not good as Casio ( PCM don't compare this and give marks)


Sorry, I said too much. I like PCM so I don't want PCM give not reliable essay. I hope she can do better in future.

[gancheong]

(1)"V610 is not eligible for Video DV usage . It only has Fix video taking ,e.g 5, 15, and 30 sec ONLY"
V610 係無限時拍片架！你上網 check 清楚佢? specification 先至好話佢係"Fix video taking"啦！

(2)"PCM select not the same class machine for comparison."
比相機唔係淨係比價錢架......你要比相機係要搵?定位、規格、性能差唔多?機?比架......

(3)"I select IUX800 to discuss since it has Zoom Function and same price grade.
However, PCM force to give significant and decisive 9 point to V610 and say it has zoom function . However ,the other just give 6 pont to 7 point only. It is Very Easy to mislead reader."
焦距(若不能整除，便四捨五入):

V610 = 38mm-380mm(38mm-114mm,130mm-380mm)-----10X(大約8.8X)
IXUS 800 = 35mm-140mm-----4X
IXUS 60 = 35mm-105mm-----3X
S600 = 38mm-114mm-----3X
FX01 = 28mm-102mm-----大約3.6X
由此可見，V610 ? Zoom Function 係你所列出?五機中取勁，得分最高亦都係實至名歸。

(4)"In the Test 04 , file size:
IUX60 ,2min7sec, 112MB, result =8pts
S600 ,8min20sec,28.5MB,result=9pts
V610 , 7min 5sec, 27.1MB,result=9pts
fx01,2min47sec, 80.1M,result=8pts"
首先，我認為你打錯資料。
因為V610: 7min 5sec=27.1MB=62.3KB/s
S600: 8min 20sec=28.5MB=58.368KB/s
Impossible，冇機可以以咁低? bitrate 拍片，就算拍到出?，質數亦非常差劣，效果不堪入目。
所以我認為: IUX60 ,2min7sec, 112MB
S600 ,8min20sec,285MB
V610 , 7min 5sec, 271MB
fx01,2min47sec, 80.1M
IXUS 60 = 903.06KB/s
S600 = 583.68KB/s
V610 = 652.95KB/s
FX01 = 491.15KB/s
因此，就算係最高分?都係 FX01，唔會係 S600/V610。

(5)"V610 is not the best choice for video taking"
首先，V610 有得用 optical zoom while taking video 但係其他機冇。

(6)"Fix timing for video e.g(5,15,30sec) outdate design"
V610 係無限時拍片。

(7)"use MPE4 but not the best compression performance"
咁邊隻 format 先至叫"the best compression performance"呀？不如唔好壓縮丫？！最好最原始。

(8)"price =$3680 is too expensive compare with Casio or Canon, price expensive reason may be having useless bluthtooth function which is no relation with video taking."
V610 又 dual lens 又 dual CCD 呀！成本都高?啦！而且佢宜家仲係 10X zoom 呀！其他?幾部邊有咁長炮呀？佢仲有\"KODAK RETINA 雙 鏡頭技術"呀！開發呢?技術唔駛錢架？！宜家佢都仲係賣貴其他?幾部 $300-$1110 咋！仲想點呀？至少唔會好似 SONY 咁搶錢，部部卡 片機新出就算冇乜特別 function/特出之處都可以開價 $36XX 或以上啦！

(9)"Too heavy 160g compare with other 115g Casio, 132g Fx01 ( PCM don't compare this and give marks)"
V610 又 dual lens 又 dual CCD，重 S600 45g, FX01 28g 都係好正常?！況且? 50g 都冇，拎上手都唔係好覺。

(10)"Battery Life not good as Casio ( PCM don't compare this and give marks)"
第一，V610 係 dual lens and dual CCD 自然會食電?。第二，個 mon 比 S600 大 0.6 吋，多 145040 pixels 點都會食電過 S600 啦！

[swhsimon]

1. Good , I post it for a long time ,happy to see your dicussion .

2. Firstly, DO YOU EVER Buy "電腦廣場 Vol 677" , IF NOT , the following dicuss become not so much meaning...

"V610 is not eligible for Video DV usage . It only has Fix video taking ,e.g 5, 15, and 30 sec ONLY"
V610 係無限時拍片架！你上網 check 清楚佢? specification 先至好話佢係"Fix video taking"啦！

I buy this magazine and clearly written in this.
May be you've buy V610 BUT not buy PCM .

3. My discussion is base on the "conclusion of PCM is MISLEAD" and and result to "Mislead everyone ,inculding you and me "
Do you really understand my point ?

[swhsimon]

Hello John Chak , are you here ?

(3)"I select IUX800 to discuss since it has Zoom Function and same price grade.
However, PCM force to give significant and decisive 9 point to V610 and say it has zoom function . However ,the other just give 6 pont to 7 point only. It is Very Easy to mislead reader."
焦距(若不能整除，便四捨五入):

Yes,you are right , we should --->焦距(若不能整除，便四捨五入):
however, just 焦距one field win and give 2 point more than the others.
It will highly affect to the Result....If you know what is "weight value" in statistic meaning.
Do you know this point ? This is also a "Technique of Mislead" ?

Ha ! Ha ! I also mislead by them firstly !

[swhsimon]

JohnChat ,are you here ? Sorry, I am really boring you ! Ha Ha!


you said:
4)"In the Test 04 , file size:
IUX60 ,2min7sec, 112MB, result =8pts
S600 ,8min20sec,28.5MB,result=9pts
V610 , 7min 5sec, 27.1MB,result=9pts
fx01,2min47sec, 80.1M,result=8pts"
首先，我認為你打錯資料。
因為V610: 7min 5sec=27.1MB=62.3KB/s
S600: 8min 20sec=28.5MB=58.368KB/s
Impossible，冇機可以以咁低? bitrate 拍片，就算拍到出?，質數亦非常差劣，效果不堪入目。

Question Again:
Do you really buy this Magazine Vol. 677
At page 64, it is CLEARLY wirtten in this way ?

So , I said you are also mislead by PCM. I don't happy PCM mislead us.
Do you really have V610, and just want to say something about your camear.. then GOOD to share you experience..

[swhsimon]

JohnChart..

(7)"use MPE4 but not the best compression performance"
咁邊隻 format 先至叫"the best compression performance"呀？不如唔好壓縮丫？！最好最原始



I said again , Do you knwo what is compression Ratio ?

the compression ratio of them (MB/sec) =
IUX60 =1.13
s600 =17.54
v610=15.68
fx01=2.08

May be my English not good mislead you also ,HA ! HA!
I just want to point out . Even V610 and the Best Compression Ratio compare with S600. It is smaller than S600.

, S600 should Win ! and cannot just say both of them is 9 point and equal in marks..

[swhsimon]

Johnchat ,are you still alive .....? ... Ha ! Ha !

you said...
(10)"Battery Life not good as Casio ( PCM don't compare this and give marks)"
第一，V610 係 dual lens and dual CCD 自然會食電?。第二，個 mon 比 S600 大 0.6 吋，多 145040 pixels 點都會食電過 S600 啦！

Up to now, Personally ,
I DO think Battery is a quite important to me ,or even to you, or even to others .
So, Personally . PCM is not correct not compare this point.
Anyway, Thank for you to let me say PCM is mislead in V677 again.
However, I still buy this PCM Magazine... since I want PCM to do better in future..

[swhsimon]

PS:

Information as Ref:
Vol 677,
Pag064, clearly written:
IUX60 ,2min7sec, 112MB, result =8pts
S600 ,8min20sec,28.5MB,result=9pts
V610 , 7min 5sec, 27.1MB,result=9pts
fx01,2min47sec, 80.1M,result=8pts"

資料No 打錯

Calculation of compression Ratio:

the compression ratio of them (MB/sec) =
IUX60 =1.13
s600 =17.54
v610=15.68
fx01=2.08

also NO Calculation ERROR !

I want to post the page to you , However, I don't know how to upload the page to let you see.

You may be do not read ,or do not have the PCM, Vol677 ,Right ?

[gancheong]

十幾 MB per sec??? 咁市面上有乜卡可以滿足到佢?食量呀？唔好淨係信本 PCM 啦！佢打??唔一定?架！唔俾佢打錯架？！你見到佢打?資料出?都要用下腦去諗下佢?資料合唔合理架...... 2GB SD/15.68MB=130.6 SEC??? 就算用張 2GB ? SD 都係拍得?兩分幾鐘?片？！你要記住，V610 係 DC 仔?架咋！佢唔係 DV 呀！佢拍片唔會咁大食架！

[swhsimon]

johnchak :
1. First , thanks for your support to point out 電腦廣場's Video Data has problem again, and help to deduce their conclusion 結論誤導.

Well, my data from is 100% correct. and my deduction is Logically correct , at least I have your fact to suppot .Thank you

2. However, how come your express so Rude and Fire... Um....,mm
But , I think you never read this Vol 677, Right ?

唔好淨係信本 PCM 啦！佢打??唔一定?架！唔俾佢打錯架？！你見到佢打?資料出?都要用下腦去諗下佢?資料合唔合理架......

其他?幾部邊有咁長炮呀？佢仲有\"KODAK RETINA 雙 鏡頭技術"呀！開發呢?技術唔駛錢架？！宜家佢都仲係賣貴其他?幾部 $300-$1110 咋！仲想點呀？至少唔會好似 SONY 咁搶錢，部部卡 片機新出就算冇乜特別 function/特出之處都可以開價 $36XX 或以上啦！

3. Are you famous Uncle Bus...? Do you have anything Unbalance, or Not Solved yet .?....Ha,..Ha.. At least ,I felt I am like the young guy....?


Well , I appreciate your clear thinking mind but disappointed for your attitude and technique in communication.
Good ! Good!

[gancheong]

sorry......我對我之前咁粗魯道歉。sorry......因為我見你寫"Hello John Chak , are you here ?"、"JohnChat ,are you here ? Sorry, I am really boring you ! Ha Ha!"、"JohnChart.."、"Johnchat ,are you still alive .....? ... Ha ! Ha !"而令我有受辱的感覺，所以我不自覺咁寫得粗魯左......sorry......

[swhsimon]

Sorry, Sir.

Just a like to debate Gentleman.. Ha..Ha..