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MandM1234




註冊: 2009-11-24

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題目支24-105f4有咩唔好同支24-70比     Post time: 11 月 15 日

除左光圈冇咁大
唔係日本做仲有冇
因為想知清楚先買
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salonsip2005




註冊: 2006-04-22

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題目Re: 支24-105f4有咩唔好同支24-70比     Post time: 11 月 15 日

你係唔係去錯區呀 師兄

nikon 個支係24-120 呀
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MandM1234




註冊: 2009-11-24

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題目Re: 支24-105f4有咩唔好同支24-70比     Post time: 11 月 15 日

打錯左係支24-120f4
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salonsip2005




註冊: 2006-04-22

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題目Re: 支24-105f4有咩唔好同支24-70比     Post time: 11 月 15 日

個人認為其他都係一樣 自已去百記試過支鏡都幾好幾sharp

睇過網度d test 變形控制個度就差dd 其他都好好

一般人睇唔出, 只有做開個行0既先會覺得
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onlyken




註冊: 2004-04-05

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題目Re: 支24-105f4有咩唔好同支24-70比     Post time: 11 月 15 日

如果你只喜歡影格仔牆, 問題會比較大!
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MandM1234




註冊: 2009-11-24

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題目Re: 支24-105f4有咩唔好同支24-70比     Post time: 11 月 15 日

係唔係唔可以影直線架
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Xplore




註冊: 2005-01-30

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題目Re: 支24-105f4有咩唔好同支24-70比     Post time: 11 月 17 日

唔同級數
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MineSky




註冊: 2009-11-14

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題目Re: 支24-105f4有咩唔好同支24-70比     Post time: 11 月 18 日

大家漏左 VR 呢樣野
中焦 snap 鏡,我會選擇有VR囉
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pierokwong




註冊: 2003-09-24

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題目Re: 支24-105f4有咩唔好同支24-70比     Post time: 11 月 18 日

Hey bro,

These are two very different lens for different purpose.

If you need a fast lens to shot in low light situation, like wedding, kids running in the living room at night, only the f/2.8 will help. The VR can't do anything to help in this situation.

But if you only need a good mid range zoom, then the f/4 is a pretty good option now.

Cheers,
Piero
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onlyken




註冊: 2004-04-05

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題目Re: 支24-105f4有咩唔好同支24-70比     Post time: 11 月 18 日

24-70支鏡咁貴, 唔知 NIKON 點解唔加VR?
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MineSky




註冊: 2009-11-14

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題目Re: 支24-105f4有咩唔好同支24-70比     Post time: 11 月 18 日

但係師兄你唔會開到2.8黎影架應該
室內 70mm F5.6 無VR好惡頂架喎

想聽聽 piero 兄意見, thx ~
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MineSky




註冊: 2009-11-14

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題目Re: 支24-105f4有咩唔好同支24-70比     Post time: 11 月 18 日

師兄意思係想寧願大光圈推快快門,多於有閃燈底下慢過 1/60 快門 ?
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pierokwong




註冊: 2003-09-24

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題目Re: 支24-105f4有咩唔好同支24-70比     Post time: 11 月 18 日

MineSky bro,

it's really depending on the situation. Some of my work involving shooting in a dim lighting church and flash photography is straightly prohibited.

In that case, sometimes i have shoot with wide open, but the 2470 handle the f/2.8 pretty well. Of course it has to be used with caution and user need to be well aware of what he/she is doing. Also FX body with high ISO does help out a bit as well. It's a matter about getting it, or not getting anything at all =p

Under the above condition, the f/4 lens are too slow and it allow less than 1/2 the light into the sensor comparing to what f/2.8 does. Even with the VRii, it is not fast enough to capture to wedding scene.

VR is very useful for still images, like landscape, or any object that are not moving at all. But for any object that move under a non-flash situation, it is not helpful at all.


btw, I am some old school shooter and I put lots of effort to improve my hand held stability. I can do 1/30 at 70mm without blur in a stable handholding posture. Of course I do appreciate the new VR =D

any f/2.8 with VRii is the best weapon =D
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MineSky




註冊: 2009-11-14

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題目Re: 支24-105f4有咩唔好同支24-70比     Post time: 11 月 18 日

thx piero bro for detail explaination !~ its really help me a lot

as I was borned in a digital camera and VR/IS/VC/OS Lens era, I am too rely on AF, VR these kind of handicap >.< My hand held ability is not so stable as well

anyway, thanks for your sharing and help ^^
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pierokwong




註冊: 2003-09-24

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題目Re: 支24-105f4有咩唔好同支24-70比     Post time: 11 月 18 日

some little trick for you to increase you handheld stability.

When you are getting close to you safety shutter speed, you need to take a deep breath, and breath out, and hit on the shutter speed after you breath out.

This is the only time your body is not moving by the breath.

Also you need to be aware of the standing and handholding position when you take your photos as well. That is a great deal to increase the stability.

If you do everything right, it easily a stop or two difference =D that's the "biological VR". Very important =D

Cheers,
Piero
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