[Charlesp]

我想問問各位大哥FZ10同S7000以下面4點比較

1.個價(水同行,Z10有行貨未?)
2.夜境
3.Noise
4.畫質

邊部低買?

感謝各位解答

[winson531]

S7000 is 1k more expensive
其他都係S7000 wins,
1/1.7 ge SCCD同1/2.5 ge CCD 比,再好的convertor 都難起死回生
FZ-10 is abt 420mm tele
S7000 only 210mm...

FZ-10 有I.S.

[yeah_Eric]

我想問下呢~~呢部機DMC-FZ10 200百萬像數~

會唔會少左d~~有無其他機同呢部功能差不多但像數又高點既呢

[tam_dominic]

yeah_Eric

FZ1 is 2 mp
FZ10 is 4 mp

[gapman]

I think they are totally different class DC ! For S7000, you should compare it to G5, C5060 or Coolpix 5400 and Sony V1 ! FZ10 should compare to other long zoom DC like 750z ! For photo quality, I think S7000 is better !

[wing2010]

Charlesp兄, 其實呢兩部機二揀一既考慮可以係咁:

呢兩部機其實我一直都有留意注, 因為我都係想二揀一, 所以做左小小research.

S7000係除左玩大相之外, 無乜特別賣點既機. 講wide同tele, 佢無乜特出之處. 講光學變焦, 佢只有6x, 算係中等. 講相, 佢用super ccd第四代, 但都係俾人嘈noise勁 (不過亦有人話佢影人像勁靚, 但我未見過unofficial sample, 唔敢講), 同埋佢係用iso200 (auto)做最低iso (除非你用手動, 就有iso160). 講數碼變焦同高iso, 更只係係低resolution先可以用. 另外, 俾人嘈之處就係佢既壓縮比, 係6百萬像時只可以用normal, 要到1千2百萬像(插值)先可以用fine. 當然, 佢可以加鏡, 加外閃, 用cf card或xd card (但xd card勁貴), 用usb2.0, 但其實以佢既價錢, 呢d features都唔算係有競爭力既point (而且仲未提到佢比fz10大舊同重左少少). 不過, 調番轉黎講, 呢部機可以當係萬用機咁用, 雖然除左玩大相就乜都唔精, 但又乜都識少少. 而且就算resize左, 都比fz10既相大張 (但如果剩係講晒4R, 呢個point既重要性又會降低).

至於fz10, 佢最大既賣點就係支鏡. lumix鏡頭, 12倍光學變焦 (35mm-420mm)再加恆定光圈 (任何距離也可以用f/2.8). 就算唔加tele, 都差不多已經殺晒! 另外, 就係防手震. 以前fz1, 一著機防手震就會開, 好"晒"電. 而fz10就進步左, 可以揀對焦果下先activate防手震. 不過, 佢既防手震係做係鏡度, 唔係ccd處 (A1先係做係ccd處), 效能唔好期望太高. 另外, 佢既noise, 如果係相同iso又應該係比s7000勁. 但佢最低可以用iso50, 再tune埋sharpness同saturation (如果唔介意可以再做埋resize, 因為其實出4R相, 2百零萬像已經夠, 如果出芒, 77萬就搞掂), 咁張相就見得人勒! 再講, 佢都可以加鏡同外閃, 用sd card, 呢幾方面同s7000分別唔大.

至於講夜景, 我覺得兩部機都係打成平手. fz10係低iso已經唔係好掂, 係高iso我相信會係慘不忍睹. 至於s7000, 高iso (400) 要行3百萬像先用得. 不過兩部機都可以用低iso, 慢快門黎救. 所以打成平手.

winson531兄, 你所講fz10既ccd比較細係事實. 但如果剩係比ccd咁對fz10唔公平. 因為fz10既強項唔係係呢度. 至於你話其他都係s7000 win, 可否詳細解釋下呢?

講左咁多, charlesp兄你都會估到我會推fz10, 除非你鍾意玩大相, 又或者你用緊cf或者xd card, 否則以價錢同效能來比較, fz10會略為佔優. 而如果你鍾意打雀, fz10就更加係不二之選!

以上純屬個人見解, 有錯敬請各位指正.

[99010003]

After read the post of wing2010, i think i need to correct some misleading.

First, the iso value in auto mode is 160 not 200, in menu mode is 200 not 160.

Second, the "lumix鏡頭, 12倍光學變焦" in the real photo comparison is not as good as the photo of S7000(even s602z) + B300 at 10x Zoom.

Third, "S7000係除左玩大相之外, 無乜特別賣點既機" such opinion is just come to the surface of Fujifilm's product. in fact the high Pixel value is not only for make big photo, but most likely is it allow user to resize down the size of photo, in order to make a more fine pixeled photo print out when compare with the 500M Pixel photo. this is the strategy that fujifilm made to compensate the weakness of high iso value(means larger particles)

Moreover the " 除非你鍾意玩大相", is hardly to agree, since if you print the photo out in 4R or 5R, but use 6M or 12M Pixel value, you are just like doing the resize on the photo image so thats why Fujifilm's dc real photo print out's quality is as good as others or much better than 5M Photo.

Fujifilm's dc photo is not good for compare in Monitor, its real power is in print out product.

"你所講fz10既ccd比較細係事實. 但如果剩係比ccd咁對fz10唔公平", why not fair, in fact we are comparing their feature, it also can said using the Zoom value to compare with s7000 is not fair. netherless, large ccd size is good for making "淺景深", this is what the fz10 can't compare.

Finally, if you said "再tune埋sharpness同saturation" for fz10, then i think you also can tune S7000's photo.

[wing2010]

99010003:

謝謝你的意見和更正!

1) 這是我從forum上見到的資料, 謝謝你的更正.

2) "good"是很主觀的形容詞. 我沒有意見. 但我所講既"殺晒"係指可以zoom到420mm同埋可以用f/2.8, 而且仲未計數碼變焦 (加埋有36x咁遠) 同加tele鏡.

3) & 4) 這一點我不太肯定, 所以要請教. 請問一下, 一張五百萬像相變成二百萬相, 同一張一千萬像既相變成二百萬相, 結果會差幾遠? 邊張既detail會lost多d呢? 請賜教.

5) 我無見過fuji既printout, 無野講.

6) 我係想話"如果剩係比ccd", 請別誤會. 致於, 你話ccd大係good for淺景深, 請問, ccd由1/2.5upgrade至1/1.7, 個景深可以淺幾多? 同埋以而家既技術同s7000既光圈, s7000做淺景深會好過fz10幾多? 請賜教.

7) 當然兩部機都可以tune, 我只係想話, 雖然fz10 noise勁, 但都可以透過某些條件而令張相見得人. 希望這樣說能令你明白.

[wing2010]

補充多兩點:

8) 99010003兄, 你說"Fujifilm's dc photo is not good for compare in Monitor, its real power is in print out product", 請問你憑甚麼得出這個結論? 是因為這部機用了與別不同的色彩管理系統嗎? 請說明.

最後, 我要聲明, 我無意貶低s7000, 只是題目問邊部抵買, 所以我認為綜合價格與功能, fz10會比較佔優勢. 如有朋友有另類高見, 請提出讓小弟學習學習.

[winson531]

first that so called leica lens is just produced by panasonic unde leica's conditions, not produced by leica...
if the quality is the same, leica 要執粒.....
second s7000 only shoot 3mp when 800 iso is used, not 400......

i pt out wt s7000 wins first
resolution,
control,
flash range,
shutter speed,slow and fast,
battery life,
colour reproduction,
CCD SIZE,
focus speed,
dual sort,
continous shoot,
movie taking;
barriel distrotion and
purple franging

FZ wins
long zoom,
IS,
constand 2.8F