[P4JN8]

搞下攝影活動, 同一班影友高高興興拍下照 傾下計, 每人幾十蚊本來就係一件樂事. 但係有人就係一個咁開心o既環境之下, 係活動前o既一日竟然受到model 以及 model o既朋友們惡意性以及無理o既恐嚇!!!!! 究境係唔係搵人代為轉告就可以唔理行之前既大家都同意既決定呢??

而係第一次電話當中這個model 亦唔係因為身體/model 屋企有問題而唔能夠出席. 佢只係話岩岩接左job做, 所以就"飛"起你囉. 作為理由去拒絕出席活動. 當然model與其搞手係事前已經有書面上 / 口頭上協意, 協意書上重清清楚楚寫明活動 時間/地點/衣著/model費用....等. 兩方都各執一份意免大家有任何誤會. 但是搞手係活動前一日收到一個電話來電.........有一位男士致電給這個搞手聲稱是這位model的agent, 他竟然同呢一位搞手講明天會安排工作比這一位model. 所以model不會出席你的活動, 之前這位男士是比較有禮和有誠意的. 但是搞手同電話中的男士講, 這次活動是一個多月前已經和這位 model confirm 好了時間出席活動, 而且member們都知道這 model是會來的. 是萬萬不可以cancel.....到最後那搞手同這位自稱是agent的男士講到賠償損失同要求model公開對那活動的member道歉, 如果唔搞手會採取法律行動. 之後不久後搞手再找那agent 睇下model那方點安排. 打去後找不到之前那人, 出現另一男士的聲音, 之後搞手問他model那方點安排. 但這個男士十分沒有禮和沒有誠意. 好大聲話 "你要告咪告我怕你呀, 你唔會告得入, 你同model影相是唔合法, model有野做唔來咪唔來, 唔到你話事, 最後仲話你告得你就小心D........." 這話之後, cut了線..真是...Model 唔理行約定, 重要搵人出言恐嚇???????...乜野世界呀~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

這位 model 小姐的操守, 希望能比大家 (model / 攝影師 / 準備搞活動的朋友) 一個借鏡........................................究境何為 "誠信"

[hunghungk]

P4JN8大大,
批我都會噤做啦!唔識行規仲想告人!人地告你就真呀!!!..........model工作由agent安排,是合理,合法的!你私下和model協意是真的犯了法!我想你應是十分之外行?,十個有九個影友都知啦!!!你仲?膽post D噤?文張,真係好瘀呀!"誠信" 唔係你講下就算係o架!!!清??啦!
一位非agent的影友

[留得話]

"誠信" 我可以話比你知...你已破產了!點解因為你一開始私下找MODEL去影相個刻已經係做錯左。最大鑊係你須左都唔知,仲要話告人地!又發埋?噤?信息出來,好在你冇堤名字,如果唔係人地實告硬你都得啦!起碼幾條罪呀!噤基本?法律常識你都唔知,妳係唔係冇去讀書,冇睇電視,冇睇報紙呀!個個學你噤呀!我?巳後都冇MODEL公司做影會生意呀!我地?影友真多得你唔少呀!

[teddyso]

What is wrong with P4JN8? HE HAS DONE NOTHING WRONG! The model herself should be held responsible for this matter.

How did the photographer know the model has an agent to take care everything? The model knows. If the model has ever signed any contract with any agent, WHEREEVER, WHENEVER anyone invites her / offers any job to her, she should direct him to her agent, but not sign any agreement with any party again.

Now look at this case, if the model has contract with an agent, she should not sign any agreement with P4JN8 again. Once she agreed to take the job, she could be claimed by her agent and P4JN8.

Remember, the model has contract with her agent, and the model has agreement with P4JN8, but the agent and P4JN8 has no relationship at all. Therefore, P4JN8 cannot claim the agent, nor the agent can make a claim against P4JN8, but both can claim the model.

Even P4JN8 knows the model has an agent, he is still perfectly ok as this is the model's responsibility to refuse any other job once she has an exclusive contract with the agent. Of course if the contract is not an exclusive one, then the model is ok to take other jobs.

This is what I learnt from the contract law. Any other opinion?

[留得話]

teddyso,


我唔知P4JN8是否化名?你一時話他o物都唔知,一時又話Remember!好以身歷其境噤!
唔知道!.....我唔相信一位攝影初哥會走去比錢找model影相,又組影會收member!又識上網在活動專欄發信息,噤有o物可能唔知呀!
個model隨街識番o架!你唔好話比我知個model唔係係其他影會識番返?o架!!!唔該你睇下其他影會?參加細則!!!全部都有提及影友係唔可以私下同model交換電話number及e-mail地址?!就係防止私下交易食agent夾棍!!!噤有o物可能唔知呀!
個model當然有錯啦,如果唔係你私下去交易,都唔會發這件事啦!如果真係告上法庭你o米試下同個官講"我唔知道"睇下啋啋你?

[teddyso]

First of all, I am Teddy So. I don't use other name/ID. Don't be suspicious. Right at the first sentence you started suspected everything. Evidence first please.

I posted this message as I thought there were too many assumption made by other people. Two messages posted against the innocent. That is why I posted my message. I shared what I learnt, not my belief.

We are still under Common Law, so no matter you believe it or not. DON'T assume anything. Evidence is evidence. Who told you P4JN8 had approached the model privately? You saw it? Why we assumed so many things so early? Are you sure evey model has a sole agent? I know many models who accept jobs without going through agents. I also know many models who have agents but they are not the exclusive/sole agents. I think you know this too. Why are you so sure the model P4JN8 approached has a sole agent?

As I said in last paragraph, even P4JN8 knew there was an agent, he ws perfectly ok with it. If he joined other photo functions and contacted the model in private, what would be the consequence? He would be blacklisted, he would be kicked out from that function without any refund. Even worse he would be claimed but the one who made the claim has to demonstrate what loss/damage was caused by this disagreement. You know why many photo clubs have posted this rule but without any penalty? It is because it is hard to prove the damage/loss.

If you also agreed that the model was wrong too, then why no message was against her? If whether P4JN8 has done something wrong is in question, but the model has certainly done something wrong, why only P4JN8 was blamed? Are we encouraging the model's irresponsible behavior?

May be I am too rational and this is not the right place for me to express my ideas. I will stop here.

[hkhei]

作為一個活動搞手，佢唔知model 簽左乜野約
所以責任應該係在於model本身...

而且，就算個model係屬於某個agenct...
都唔一定代表佢唔可以私下接job

另外..影會唔俾影友拎model contact
係為左保護model，而唔係保護agent..

[hkpoor]

First of all, agree with Teddy So and hkhei, in this case, the only one should held the responsible is the Model herself, neither she has an exclusive agreement with her agent nor work with many agents, if the model has an exclusive agreement with The Agent, she must refuse the job, otherwise she should present the event as she promised before. The organizer can claim the model for his loss if any.

In Hong Kong, there are very very few models sign exclusive agreement with Agent so they can accept any job directly from the Clients or othe Agents. So in general case, any body can contact the model directly if the model thinks OK. Why Photographers do contact models directly by through the agent, this is because there are so many thinks to discuss with Model before the job and actually talking with the agent is much easy than with the model.

In the past, many famous Societies in Hong Kong asked the models do not give their personal contact to persons joint the event to protact the Models themselves. But it is still the responsibity for the model to decide what they want to do (give the personal contact to others or not).

Today, we can see the Said STUPID "Rule" from many small and non-professional Clubs' (but not Societies) Notes, this is just to protact the "Clubs" to EARN more from the event as well as the models. Actually, it is not usefull as there are many ways to contact a model personally due to the easier communications now a days. I never joint the events organised by Such-A-Stupid Club.

[tinyan]

照你地班大佬所講<作為一個活動搞手，佢唔知model 簽左乜野約>又問清楚,一句"唔知道"就算!係好唔合理war?...............


<model屬於某個agenct,唔一定代表佢唔可以私下接job!>噤唔係叫agent,係叫做中間人!!!


合約model係合約摸特兒公司的資產一部份,所以影會<唔俾影友拎model contact >亦等於保獲了model同agent兩方面!!!


講到尾兩方面都有唔對地方,但係P4JN8兄所講的太含糊了,又太多犯駁!所以其他影友才會覺得他已破壞了影會同agent之間的良好關係!

[hkhei]

張約係人地簽o既，又唔係搞手簽，個搞手又點會駛理？
搞手無簽到張約，但係就要受到張約o既約束就好合理？
如果係個model 刻意唔話俾搞手知佢簽左約，咁又關個搞手乜事？

咁照你咁講...其實好多model 簽agent...
其實都係搵agent幫佢做中間人囉...

btw...."唔俾影友拎model contact"apply o係所有model度..
但好多時o的model 都係無agent o個囉....
所以呢條例其實係為左保障個model多過agent

[hkpoor]

當然。

這是model的責任，你不說誰知道？

[hkpoor]

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照你地班大佬所講<作為一個活動搞手，佢唔知model 簽左乜野約>又問清楚,一句"唔知道"就算!係好唔合理war?...............
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當然。

這是model的責任，你不說誰知道？

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model屬於某個agenct,唔一定代表佢唔可以私下接job!>噤唔係叫agent,係叫做中間人!!!
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Agent = 中間人

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合約model係合約摸特兒公司的資產一部份
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不是資產，是各取所需，互相利用。

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所以影會<唔俾影友拎model contact >亦等於保獲了model同agent兩方面!!!
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荒唐！既不能保障model，亦不能保障agent。
只是為保障既無能又想發財的搞手。

[kkh]

你地唔玩啦!D網友睇完P4JN8扁文章係針佢找model?方法!並唔係話個model冇錯呀!同埋搞手都要付D責任,而唔係堆晒在model及agent身上!
我都識唔少搞手0架,他們都唔會自已直接聯絡個model,只會找agent幫手;因為他們都知(家有家規行有行規)!如果個model係唔清楚底細?係唔會用佢?!因為她們可能隨時做失時夾萬.......P4JN8究境有冇開口問個model有否約在身0架?如果冇!咪即係話比人知佢自已唔小心,又冇經驗囉!
大哥呀!我識十個model有九個半都薟左約0架!唔信你自己睇下其牠影會找D 0物0野model!

[hkhei]

>>P4JN8究境有冇開口問個model有否約在身0架
應該係model o既責任去話俾人知佢有冇簽約，同埋答左乜野約

好多model 其實都可以自己接job，唔一定要經agent o個喎..
如果係咁，而我自己又可以聯絡到model，咁我做乜野無端端要俾錢個agent 搵？

我明明可以直接聯絡到model，而又合法合理咁叫佢影相
但係我就偏偏要搵agent，洗多o的錢去搵同一個model...
咁樣好似仲唔make sense喎...

[kkh]

(應該係model o既責任去話俾人知佢有冇簽約，同埋答左乜野約)大哥呀!係搞手都知model有責任去話俾人知佢有冇簽約，同埋簽左乜野約!其實佢簽乜野約都好,佢唔講你自己都可以問清楚0架嗎!噤咪唔使搞到噤冇穩囉!
(咁我做乜野無端端要俾錢個agent 搵？)噤咪比個噤?model送左個失匙夾萬比你嘆囉!
有??質數?model都會比人簽左死約/生約,有約在身先會叫價高?!比我係靚女都會啦!
你成日都話?model可以自由收job,係唔係我所講果半個;唔會開機果隻呀?